[疑問]+1/+1 counter, -1/-1 counter
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[疑問]+1/+1 counter, -1/-1 counter
+1/+1 counter 和 -1/-1 counter會互相抵消嗎?
Re: [疑問]+1/+1 counter, -1/-1 counter
會!
這是依狀態而生的效應XD
這是依狀態而生的效應XD
Re: [疑問]+1/+1 counter, -1/-1 counter
會抵銷
我跟裁判花生詢問過後
去官網查詢後得到的結果
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=mt ... rm=counter
April 7, 2008 – Magic Rules Corner
Q: Do -1/-1 counters negate +1/+1 counters, or do they simply exist side by side? If I were to have a creature (lets say a 1/1) with two +1/+1 counters and add a -1/-1 would the creature have one +1/+1 counters with a -1/-1 counter making it a 2/2 with 2 +1/+1 counters to remove (if it had an ability that removed the +1/+1 counters to do something), or would I have a 2/2 with one +1/+1 counter to remove?
–Eric, Glassboro, NJ, USA
A: From the Magic Rules Corner:
Usually, R&D is careful to print only +1/+1 or -1/-1 counters within any given block, not both, and for a long time, -1/-1 counters were considered obsolete anyway. Shadowmoor features the return of -1/-1 counters, but it doesn't include any +1/+1 counters at all. Time Spiral, as usual, was another story, featuring throwback Spike Tiller alongside the "timeshifted" Giant Oyster—a situation that could arise around any casual table as well. In order to keep people from having to differentiate the two counter types on a single creature, a rule was introduced that would cause +1/+1 counters and -1/-1 counters to "cancel out" in the way you describe:
420.5n If a permanent has both a +1/+1 counter and a -1/-1 counter on it, N +1/+1 and N -1/-1 counters are removed from it, where N is the smaller of the number of +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters on it.
To put it another way, each +1/+1 counter cancels out a -1/-1 counter until only counters of a single type are left. This is a state-based effect—much like a creature with 0 toughness being put into the graveyard or a player with 0 or less life losing the game—which means that once the additional counters are put on, this canceling out happens before any player has a chance to do anything.
So, let's take a look at theoretical example about a 1/1 with an ability that removed +1/+1 counters—we'll use Twilight Drover.
我跟裁判花生詢問過後
去官網查詢後得到的結果
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=mt ... rm=counter
April 7, 2008 – Magic Rules Corner
Q: Do -1/-1 counters negate +1/+1 counters, or do they simply exist side by side? If I were to have a creature (lets say a 1/1) with two +1/+1 counters and add a -1/-1 would the creature have one +1/+1 counters with a -1/-1 counter making it a 2/2 with 2 +1/+1 counters to remove (if it had an ability that removed the +1/+1 counters to do something), or would I have a 2/2 with one +1/+1 counter to remove?
–Eric, Glassboro, NJ, USA
A: From the Magic Rules Corner:
Usually, R&D is careful to print only +1/+1 or -1/-1 counters within any given block, not both, and for a long time, -1/-1 counters were considered obsolete anyway. Shadowmoor features the return of -1/-1 counters, but it doesn't include any +1/+1 counters at all. Time Spiral, as usual, was another story, featuring throwback Spike Tiller alongside the "timeshifted" Giant Oyster—a situation that could arise around any casual table as well. In order to keep people from having to differentiate the two counter types on a single creature, a rule was introduced that would cause +1/+1 counters and -1/-1 counters to "cancel out" in the way you describe:
420.5n If a permanent has both a +1/+1 counter and a -1/-1 counter on it, N +1/+1 and N -1/-1 counters are removed from it, where N is the smaller of the number of +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters on it.
To put it another way, each +1/+1 counter cancels out a -1/-1 counter until only counters of a single type are left. This is a state-based effect—much like a creature with 0 toughness being put into the graveyard or a player with 0 or less life losing the game—which means that once the additional counters are put on, this canceling out happens before any player has a chance to do anything.
So, let's take a look at theoretical example about a 1/1 with an ability that removed +1/+1 counters—we'll use Twilight Drover.
Re: [疑問]+1/+1 counter, -1/-1 counter
請問各種指示物(+1/+1, -1/-1, 消退指示物等等)，
如果在該永久物被回手後再放出來的話，指示物還會在上面嗎?
如果在該永久物被回手後再放出來的話，指示物還會在上面嗎?
Re: [疑問]+1/+1 counter, -1/-1 counter
不會jjc73728 寫:請問各種指示物(+1/+1, -1/-1, 消退指示物等等)，
如果在該永久物被回手後再放出來的話，指示物還會在上面嗎?