下禮拜要打T1.5....目前最大敵人是兩地噴火炮

[毛毛不]

下禮拜要打T1.5....本人想用青茶來應戰！也就是神器藍,不是打造藍喔！
請各位給點意見！目前本人比較怕被一回殺,所以放force of will 跟4張counter spell 來應戰,想請問各位有什麼看法！謝謝

[Thunder]

hm, against charbelcher really force is your only out, Needle is good if they are not running burning wish, else they will just warrens, but you can combat that with explosives, you really need a decklist for us to discuss your options more easily.

[twn_domn]

1. 英文?
thunder怎知道頂樓看的懂英文呀?

2. 對抗組合技
就多擺些零點康。Pact of Negation、Misdirection都可以考慮。

要擔心組合技的話，不如擔心你的招夠不夠狠。最好的防守就是攻擊。我還沒看過純籃能有什麼狠招的，了不起一堆仙靈。

T1.5純組合技現在很弱，剩下Survival撐撐場面。噴火炮更弱。最近都是用黑干擾，不然用smokestack鎖死，再不然就是<something>still (以standstill為基礎的)。

[毛毛不]

hm, against charbelcher really force is your only out, Needle is good if they are not running burning wish, else they will just warrens, but you can combat that with explosives, you really need a deck...

Thanks for replying. I think Warrens is really difficult to deal with, I can use force of will to counter charbelcher but Warrens has storm, which is impossible to counter ! I have tested, Charbelcher deck can kill you in turn one if they got a good hand.

[毛毛不]

1. 英文?
thunder怎知道頂樓看的懂英文呀?

2. 對抗組合技
就多擺些零點康。Pact of Negation、Misdirection都可以考慮。

要擔心組合技的話，不如擔心你的招夠�...

謝謝回覆！
不過我的藍是神器藍（灰黑巨石,發電機,電壓鑰匙,古靈精怪）沒什麼空位可以放康牌....頂多6張
加上....force of will我也只有兩張 X( 所以......

[Thunder]

I simply don't have a choice, I cannot type chinese at where I am so english is going to have to do
anyways, charbelcher is simply a turn 1 deck, as each turn passes its chance of winning decreases dramatically, and it almost never recovers from a failed combo attempt, you simply have to hope for a force of will and mulligan hard for one to stop the combo, and side in some engineered explosives for the warrens, there is not much else you can do really...........you can try pithin needle the belcher and explosives for warren since its an artifact deck anyways

sure thoughtseize and stuff would work, but I was under the impression this is a mono blue deck

Standstill and smokestack does very little against belcher, I mean if its your turn 2 and they havn't combo off yet you are already likely to win XD, smokestack doesnt matter as belcher doesn't require a permanent to combo off on you.

If we are talking splash then chant is really funny

Response to seething song, orim's chant

XD

[Remora]

我心內有個小小疑問.灰黑巨石在1.5不是禁牌嗎？
對抗火砲最好的招應該是虛空聖杯.
鎖0可以廢掉蓮花瓣.LED.chrome mox等
鎖1可以鎖掉各式祭禮.
被鎖就很難跑出火砲跟風暴了

[twn_domn]

對灰黑巨石是被禁的，了不起有Ancient Tomb/City of Traitors。

對呀。我們在講同一件事。通常Stax都會放滿虛空聖杯，有的版本還放Sphere of resistance。

Standstill其實非常容易打敗噴火砲。你有4張噴火砲，人家也有4張FoW，standstill要棄ㄧ張藍色的牌根本不是問題。所以你如果想要早點做出來，也許你自己也要有FoW與thoughtseize/duress，但機率太低而且藍色牌太少張。如果你第1,2回合不動手，那等人家brainstorm弄半天，根本沒機會了。

[shiny750515]

請問:
如果虛空聖杯鎖0的話
那還能再次play另一張虛空聖杯嗎?
還是再次play的, 只要x不為0就好呢?
還請知道的大大能夠回覆一下:)

[leftovering]

虛空聖杯
再次play, 只要x不為0
就不會被場上鎖0的鎖到

[傳承大法師]

小弟不才~~!!
不知兩地噴火砲是~??

[shiny750515]

只有兩張地牌的噴火砲套牌
詳情請見
http://blog.yam.com/obelisk066/article/17373753
有超詳細的介紹:D

也謝謝leftovering的解說

[傳承大法師]

感謝樓上大大的介紹!

此套牌一擊殺的可能是有的!
但是並不會每次都神手 能摸到"天胡"起手牌喲!

擺康牌(FOW or Counterspell等)-->防關鍵絕招
以及能康啟動式和觸發式異能的牌(Stifle or Trickbind等)
也是不錯的選擇喔!!
以上是小的淺見~!!