地:
mountain*2
聖潔鍛爐*4(紅白DL)
戰場鎔爐*4(紅白pain land)
平原*10
波洛斯駐防地*2
地total:22
生物:
驍勇*1(這張有看人放過,效果不錯)
旭羽翔鷹*3
草原雄獅*4
獅族空獵者*4
空擊軍團兵*4
生物total:16
結界:
輝煌的讚美詩*3
火焰之緘印*4
結界total:7
瞬間或巫術:
閃電螺旋*4
烤焦*3(第十版出了之後考慮換焚化)
消除魔障*3(白色拆有啥強過這張?))
sudden shock*4
rift bolt*4
瞬間或巫術total:15
cards total: 60
備牌:
消除魔障*1
反紅保護環*3
維克族神聖武士*4
請各位批評指教
還有備牌應該要如何調整還要加些什麼牌?
我這副是從神河+九版+拉妮卡的10/20之前的標準
改成10/20後的standard.
改變不大.
至少沒有E04的十手
還有請教各位大大,您認為新標準紅白快攻還有發展空間嗎?
雖然我認為白黑是目前最強勢的快攻(要殺有殺,要拆有拆,特別是消除魔障重出後,
白黑無所不殺@@)
[10/20後的標準]紅白快套牌
版面規則
1.不准發表罵人的字眼(強烈負面批評的人必刪文)
2.儘量不打不美觀的注音文
3.有看不懂或不認識的牌請利用查牌網站
4.發文字數至少20中文字(對應英文40字元)。
5.有像 twn_domn這種介紹某種賽制或deck的都會置頂
6.請多用主題分類([標準],[擴充],[古典],[問題],[FUN],[其他],[公告],[討論])未使用者請盡快補上
1.不准發表罵人的字眼(強烈負面批評的人必刪文)
2.儘量不打不美觀的注音文
3.有看不懂或不認識的牌請利用查牌網站
4.發文字數至少20中文字(對應英文40字元)。
5.有像 twn_domn這種介紹某種賽制或deck的都會置頂
6.請多用主題分類([標準],[擴充],[古典],[問題],[FUN],[其他],[公告],[討論])未使用者請盡快補上
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crystallspray
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Your deck has too much burn, and your creature count is too low to qualify an aggro deck.
You should definitely add 4 mangus of the scroll. Great card, you can't get anthing better than that. Please do not compare it to the Cursed Scroll, because its pointless and I suppose we all read the argument billions of times.
You should also consider 4 kight of the holy nimbus or Benalish Calvery if the color is choking you. Maybe you could find a place for 4 white shield crusader.
Ronom unicorn is nice too for some enchantments like fetters.
Soltari Priest are back so why not shadow creatures?
I suggest talke out valor, i dont see any way you could dump it to your graveyard. Take out Skyknight legionnaire
Burn and Utility spells
Griffon Guide will be good, make your lion a 4/3 flier, even you lost it you still get a 2/2 flier. Not too bad, so add 2~3.
chose two burn spells out of your list, because creature is your main source of damage, burn just to assist you to remove obsticles and deliver a final blow.
My choice would be lightning helix and char. (sudden shock is not bad either).
You could put 1~4 flagstones though. And your land count is not correct. You only have 20 lands, but you said its 22.
My List
Creatures
4 mangus of the scroll
4 savannah lion
4 Knight of the Holy Nimbus or Benalish Calvery or Soltari Priest
4 Leonin Skyhunter
4 Serra Avenger
3 Paladin En-Vec
2 Suntain Hawk
Burn
3 Char
4 Lightning Helix
1 Sudden Shock (maybe)
Utility
3 Glorious Anthem
2 Griffon Guide
Land
3 mountain
4 聖潔鍛爐
4 戰場鎔爐
10 平原
1 Flagstones of Trokair
This list has more 2cc creatures and good 1cc creatures, enought for offense. Serra Avenger is nice in mirror or deliver a final blow along with your burn and goes good on offense and defense. But it can only come down by turn 4 and after so others think its too late. anyway you decide.
sideboard... Bath in light is good agaist beat and other aggro decks, and protect your troops from pyroclasm. Disenchant should stay at sideboard, but i dont think there will be strong artifacts thought, so Ronom Unicorn is good enough.
sideboard
3~4 Bathe in Light
3 Ronom Unicorn
2 Disenchant? (Depend on the meta)
well i ran out of ideas here, but I am considering the following cards:
Angels Grace, Great combat trick in a tight aggro match up
Taste for Mayhem, A nice offensive card to boost the damage out put, get crazy with hellbent too.
Holy Strength, Bump your creatures survivability and 1point damage boost
Stone rain, Get rid of tron
ghost quarters, same reason for stone rain
Pacifism, a removal is a removal
You should definitely add 4 mangus of the scroll. Great card, you can't get anthing better than that. Please do not compare it to the Cursed Scroll, because its pointless and I suppose we all read the argument billions of times.
You should also consider 4 kight of the holy nimbus or Benalish Calvery if the color is choking you. Maybe you could find a place for 4 white shield crusader.
Ronom unicorn is nice too for some enchantments like fetters.
Soltari Priest are back so why not shadow creatures?
I suggest talke out valor, i dont see any way you could dump it to your graveyard. Take out Skyknight legionnaire
Burn and Utility spells
Griffon Guide will be good, make your lion a 4/3 flier, even you lost it you still get a 2/2 flier. Not too bad, so add 2~3.
chose two burn spells out of your list, because creature is your main source of damage, burn just to assist you to remove obsticles and deliver a final blow.
My choice would be lightning helix and char. (sudden shock is not bad either).
You could put 1~4 flagstones though. And your land count is not correct. You only have 20 lands, but you said its 22.
My List
Creatures
4 mangus of the scroll
4 savannah lion
4 Knight of the Holy Nimbus or Benalish Calvery or Soltari Priest
4 Leonin Skyhunter
4 Serra Avenger
3 Paladin En-Vec
2 Suntain Hawk
Burn
3 Char
4 Lightning Helix
1 Sudden Shock (maybe)
Utility
3 Glorious Anthem
2 Griffon Guide
Land
3 mountain
4 聖潔鍛爐
4 戰場鎔爐
10 平原
1 Flagstones of Trokair
This list has more 2cc creatures and good 1cc creatures, enought for offense. Serra Avenger is nice in mirror or deliver a final blow along with your burn and goes good on offense and defense. But it can only come down by turn 4 and after so others think its too late. anyway you decide.
sideboard... Bath in light is good agaist beat and other aggro decks, and protect your troops from pyroclasm. Disenchant should stay at sideboard, but i dont think there will be strong artifacts thought, so Ronom Unicorn is good enough.
sideboard
3~4 Bathe in Light
3 Ronom Unicorn
2 Disenchant? (Depend on the meta)
well i ran out of ideas here, but I am considering the following cards:
Angels Grace, Great combat trick in a tight aggro match up
Taste for Mayhem, A nice offensive card to boost the damage out put, get crazy with hellbent too.
Holy Strength, Bump your creatures survivability and 1point damage boost
Stone rain, Get rid of tron
ghost quarters, same reason for stone rain
Pacifism, a removal is a removal
最後由 lcd545 於 2006-10-05 11:39 am 編輯，總共編輯了 1 次。
Ravnica
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crystallspray
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crystallspray
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no problem, i was thinking if Black based aggro is getting rampant, White-shield crusader is a good sideboard, if not mainboard choice.
Edit: I have thought a bit more about this deck, and I think if you want more burn, you can take out the 2 suntail hawks for sudden shock, seal of fire or rift bolt. I also thought about that you could sideboard some Avalanche Riders?, scorched rusalka?, frenzied goblin?
Edit: I have thought a bit more about this deck, and I think if you want more burn, you can take out the 2 suntail hawks for sudden shock, seal of fire or rift bolt. I also thought about that you could sideboard some Avalanche Riders?, scorched rusalka?, frenzied goblin?
Ravnica
講一下最近在MWS上測試的心得.....
Icatian Javelineers:
原本以為不好用,但是發現能處理掉的生物還真不少:常見如
Savannah Lions, Soltari Priest ,Llanowar Elves, Dryad Sophisticate
White Shield Crusader ,Magus of the Scroll...
把他當作差一點迷亂莫葛用還不賴
Savannah Lions:
給我不放4張的理由~~
Magus of the Scroll:
沒有想像中的好用,原因有二:
一是屁股3的生物非常常見,他清不掉,
二是1/1在生物戰中沒有優勢,對控制前期常被一起掃臺,後期又容易處理
前期放沒有打擊力,後期放又沒優勢
但是能補足中期2~6點的傷害,或是幫忙清掉一些生物
可能可以考慮2~3張,或乾脆不放
Soltari Priest:
優秀的穿透力,4張必擺r
Knight of the Holy Nimbus:
前期幾乎不死,難以處理,對手要清除會拖到法力
這1-2回合的速度差距常是快攻勝利的契機
配上Griffin Guide更是噁心
White Shield Crusader:
不是很喜歡,屁股1很容易被清掉,異能又吃法力
反黑是我唯一考慮的理由,除非環境黑殺多
才會考慮放他
Serra Avenger:
暫時認為是雞肋,合理的P/T和能力,施放費用
奇怪的施放時機,4回跳兩隻或者下一隻扣一張燒很誘人
但是3/3的生物很多,常常是下來阻擋Call of the Herd
Watchwolf,我想還要在多試試~~
攻擊節奏不合啊....
Paladin en-Vec:
3cc最好的選擇,現在更有Griffin Guide搭配
Lightning Helix /Char / Seal of Fire:
我想4張沒有爭議吧XD
Volcanic Hammer:
為了清理Call of the Herd,Watchwolf,Kird Ape
還是有2~3張的必要
Sudden Shock:
雖然有轉瞬,但是只能打兩點,虛掉了~
擴充的實用影響會比較大
但是拿來燒Spike Feeder真爽^^
Rift Bolt:
還不錯用,能打3點,又有延緩,可能跟
Volcanic Hammer擇一
Browbeat:
除了使用時機要選擇外,沒有不放的理由
但是張數還在考慮,2-3好像太少,4又好像太多
Griffin Guide:
能增加攻擊力和穿透力,死了又會爬回來
好牌一張
Lightning Storm:
雞肋~~有後期逆轉的實力,或是土地公的救星
卻又不穩定==\
是一張炸彈---不論是對自己或是對手
再想想吧....
以上
Icatian Javelineers:
原本以為不好用,但是發現能處理掉的生物還真不少:常見如
Savannah Lions, Soltari Priest ,Llanowar Elves, Dryad Sophisticate
White Shield Crusader ,Magus of the Scroll...
把他當作差一點迷亂莫葛用還不賴
Savannah Lions:
給我不放4張的理由~~
Magus of the Scroll:
沒有想像中的好用,原因有二:
一是屁股3的生物非常常見,他清不掉,
二是1/1在生物戰中沒有優勢,對控制前期常被一起掃臺,後期又容易處理
前期放沒有打擊力,後期放又沒優勢
但是能補足中期2~6點的傷害,或是幫忙清掉一些生物
可能可以考慮2~3張,或乾脆不放
Soltari Priest:
優秀的穿透力,4張必擺r
Knight of the Holy Nimbus:
前期幾乎不死,難以處理,對手要清除會拖到法力
這1-2回合的速度差距常是快攻勝利的契機
配上Griffin Guide更是噁心
White Shield Crusader:
不是很喜歡,屁股1很容易被清掉,異能又吃法力
反黑是我唯一考慮的理由,除非環境黑殺多
才會考慮放他
Serra Avenger:
暫時認為是雞肋,合理的P/T和能力,施放費用
奇怪的施放時機,4回跳兩隻或者下一隻扣一張燒很誘人
但是3/3的生物很多,常常是下來阻擋Call of the Herd
Watchwolf,我想還要在多試試~~
攻擊節奏不合啊....
Paladin en-Vec:
3cc最好的選擇,現在更有Griffin Guide搭配
Lightning Helix /Char / Seal of Fire:
我想4張沒有爭議吧XD
Volcanic Hammer:
為了清理Call of the Herd,Watchwolf,Kird Ape
還是有2~3張的必要
Sudden Shock:
雖然有轉瞬,但是只能打兩點,虛掉了~
擴充的實用影響會比較大
但是拿來燒Spike Feeder真爽^^
Rift Bolt:
還不錯用,能打3點,又有延緩,可能跟
Volcanic Hammer擇一
Browbeat:
除了使用時機要選擇外,沒有不放的理由
但是張數還在考慮,2-3好像太少,4又好像太多
Griffin Guide:
能增加攻擊力和穿透力,死了又會爬回來
好牌一張
Lightning Storm:
雞肋~~有後期逆轉的實力,或是土地公的救星
卻又不穩定==\
是一張炸彈---不論是對自己或是對手
再想想吧....
以上
最後由 豬寶寶 於 2006-10-17 10:14 pm 編輯，總共編輯了 1 次。
不懂......豬寶寶 寫:Guerrilla Tactics:
能增加攻擊力和穿透力,死了又會爬回來
好牌一張
為何Guerrilla Tactics死了又會爬回來?
Guerrilla Tactics
Instant
Guerrilla Tactics deals 2 damage to target creature or player.
When a spell or ability an opponent controls causes you to discard Guerrilla Tactics, Guerrilla Tactics deals 4 damage to target creature or player.
Play the game，
see the hell！
see the hell！
WR我最近也組了一副出來, 但是也在生物跟其他選擇上卡了一陣子, 所以現在是未完成型
1cc
4 Icatian Javelineers <- 測試中
4 Savannah Lions
3 Magus of the Scroll <- 測試中
2cc
4 Soltari Priest
3 Serra Avenger <- 測試中
2 Ronom Unicorn
4 Lightning Helix
4 Sudden Shock <- 測試中
3cc
3 Paladin en-Vec
2 Jaya Ballard <- 測試中
3 Char
4cc
3 Giant Solifuge
Lands
4 Forges
4 Foundries
2 Garrison
2 Flagstones
5 Plains
4 Mountain
落選名單
Knight of the Holy Nimbus - 兩點兩點打沒有想像中痛, 而且神怒跟-3/-3滿街都是, 如果同形deck很多再考慮
Glorious Anthem - 可能會把Jaya跟Avenger踢掉, 但是新T2拆節界應該會滿場飛
White Shield - 屁股1實在是...
Suntail Hawk - 跟他搶1cc的牌強太多了, 沒有讚美詩毫無威力
2/2飛兵 - 穿透力沒Shadow強, 也沒反紅
現衝2/2飛兵 - 3cc很尷尬
Griffon Guide - 我討厭被回手跟跪下
Browbeat - 不穩定
目前正編對上Flare的四回艾小姐是死亡確定, 還沒有想到對策
-K
1cc
4 Icatian Javelineers <- 測試中
4 Savannah Lions
3 Magus of the Scroll <- 測試中
2cc
4 Soltari Priest
3 Serra Avenger <- 測試中
2 Ronom Unicorn
4 Lightning Helix
4 Sudden Shock <- 測試中
3cc
3 Paladin en-Vec
2 Jaya Ballard <- 測試中
3 Char
4cc
3 Giant Solifuge
Lands
4 Forges
4 Foundries
2 Garrison
2 Flagstones
5 Plains
4 Mountain
落選名單
Knight of the Holy Nimbus - 兩點兩點打沒有想像中痛, 而且神怒跟-3/-3滿街都是, 如果同形deck很多再考慮
Glorious Anthem - 可能會把Jaya跟Avenger踢掉, 但是新T2拆節界應該會滿場飛
White Shield - 屁股1實在是...
Suntail Hawk - 跟他搶1cc的牌強太多了, 沒有讚美詩毫無威力
2/2飛兵 - 穿透力沒Shadow強, 也沒反紅
現衝2/2飛兵 - 3cc很尷尬
Griffon Guide - 我討厭被回手跟跪下
Browbeat - 不穩定
目前正編對上Flare的四回艾小姐是死亡確定, 還沒有想到對策
-K
"Our belief shall be the lance that pierces Volrath's heart."
Paladin en-Vec (Exodus Only)
現在收集193張 - 涵蓋8國語言
Paladin en-Vec (Exodus Only)
現在收集193張 - 涵蓋8國語言
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crystallspray
- 初級法師
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今天你是一個aggro deckKlarc 寫:WR我最近也組了一副出來, 但是也在生物跟其他選擇上卡了一陣子, 所以現在是未完成型
1cc
4 Icatian Javelineers <- 測試中
4 Savannah Lions
3 Magus of the Scroll <- 測試中
2cc
4 Soltari Priest
...
目的是要"打死人先"
其他的不用想太多
Icatian Javelineers
個人不喜歡,我覺得那打一點真的可有可無
如果真的遇到有那麼多要殺的小生物的deck的話...
那為什麼不乾脆直接在SB裡放火焰鞭~~
而且別忘了...你正邊的燒是放來幹嘛的.....
Serra Avenger
我不喜歡這傢伙,雞肋.....
Giant Solifuge
我會放在SB~~~
Glorious Anthem
生物型的基本款,就算拆結界滿場飛還是要放
再說你有看過有人因為拆神器滿場飛而不放十手的嗎?沒有吧...
White Shield
你自己都說-3/-3滿街都是了,那幹嘛不放....
Sudden Shock
不敢說他弱,只是個人純粹不喜歡而已
最後由 度拉蒙 於 2006-10-25 7:04 am 編輯，總共編輯了 1 次。
在"不考慮meta純粹以aggro為主"的前題下
我會組成這樣
4 Savannah Lions W
4 Suntail Hawk W
3 Magus of the Scroll R
4 seal of fire R
1cc:15
4 Soltari Priest WW
4 White Shield WW
4 Lightning Helix WR
2cc:12
4 Paladin en-Vec 1WW
4 Glorious Anthem 1WW
3 Char 2R
3cc:11
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Battlefield Forge
1 Boros Garrison
3 flagstones of trokair
3 moutain
7 plain
land:22
creature:23
spell:15
用以往打白快的經驗去選的
實際沒測過~~純粹是紙上談兵打打嘴炮而已~~~XD
話說回來已經有快一年沒好好打牌了啊~~~囧
那邊可以載到MWS的TS的patch和圖啊??
邪月都重出了......還不趕快把十字軍還給我...........Orz
我會組成這樣
4 Savannah Lions W
4 Suntail Hawk W
3 Magus of the Scroll R
4 seal of fire R
1cc:15
4 Soltari Priest WW
4 White Shield WW
4 Lightning Helix WR
2cc:12
4 Paladin en-Vec 1WW
4 Glorious Anthem 1WW
3 Char 2R
3cc:11
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Battlefield Forge
1 Boros Garrison
3 flagstones of trokair
3 moutain
7 plain
land:22
creature:23
spell:15
用以往打白快的經驗去選的
實際沒測過~~純粹是紙上談兵打打嘴炮而已~~~XD
話說回來已經有快一年沒好好打牌了啊~~~囧
那邊可以載到MWS的TS的patch和圖啊??
邪月都重出了......還不趕快把十字軍還給我...........Orz
